Average Human Stats?

[Saint_Moko]

So, this has been a question I've wanted to know for a while, and I always wondered why it wasn't covered in the rules...


What are the "Average" stats for a human from the 20th-21st century?  2, ala WoD? 5? 10?

[Yuri_Prime]

Whenever I've had to calculate stats for a normal human in Nexal terms, I give them a 2 ENE, and then in the other seven stats I distribute 2 twos and 5 ones.

[D]

Another reason it might not be covered in the rules is because no avatar, even the ones of the Terran genre, are "average".  Avatarhood is the quintessential state of being more than average, thus trying to compare any sentient existence in the Nexus, to what they were on their mortal plane is comparing apples to oranges.  Yeah they're both fruit, and they both grow on trees, and they both posess chemicals that consumed in large enough quantities would be toxic, but they are completely different beyond that point.

[Alf Cunha]

Yeah they're both fruit, and they both grow on trees, and they both posess chemicals that consumed in large enough quantities would be toxic, but they are completely different beyond that point.

**  But what is being asked is "if an average everyday shmoe were to appear in the Nexus, what would their stats be?"  it's not a matter of apples and oranges because STR is STR, CON is CON.   Yes, powers would be different, but that's not the question.


    As an aside, I used a WoD conversion for my Vice City tabletop and it worked quite well for avatars - using that system an average (2 dots in WoD) was between 16 and 24

[`_100003005030 (Zero)]

Alf, maybe I'm a bit confuzzled, but what are YOU saying an average human would be in Avatar stats?  Because it sounds like you're saying 16-24, which would depress me no end!

Linda

[Socket]

I've always judged "average" adult human stats to be around 5.

[wcshoe]

**  But what is being asked is "if an average everyday shmoe were to appear in the Nexus, what would their stats be?" 

All stats would be 1, until they chose a House.

[LucasJamison]

All stats would be 1, until they chose a House.

My first thought, as well.

An average, every day human, at level 1?  No stat could be more than 29, and if evenly distributed they would be 4.5, or a 50/50 split between 4s and 5s.

It's hard to say what "average" would be over time, as death and skill purchases and different House Skills changed the available point pool.

[Yuri_Prime]

And judging from everyone's answers the entire point of the actual question seems to have been mired down in legislature and debate.

The question was "What are an average human's stats?" not an average nexal human, or an average human pre-housing, or what-not. Moko's question was:

What are the "Average" stats for a human from the 20th-21st century?  2, ala WoD? 5? 10?

He just wants to know what joe average human's stats are, were he to want to build an average human in the nexus to wrestle the ever living crap out of. Refs or fan girls or even Managers to help the evil Tag Team cheat to win.

I stand by my original answer. ENE 2, and then distribute 5 ones and 2 twos.

[`_100003005030 (Zero)]

Thanks for wrestling this back to what I *think* the original question was.  I like your answer, but I'd be interested in an official one.  It is a little mixed-fruity, in that the Nexal bit of the multiverse just works differently than nomal Terran physics.  But there should be some basic means of comparison.

Linda

[wcshoe]

But there should be some basic means of comparison.

I for one believe that sometimes explanations take away from the fun. (See: Midichlorians, Star Wars Episode One)

[GJSchaller]

It's a difficult quesiton - I was actually thinking about it the other day myself, and I see exactly what the original question is.  There is no sense of scale without something to compare it to.  If I said I was 3 Fleem tall, that would mean nothing unless you had a standard of "1 Fleem" to compare it to.  So someone with an awesome 100 OR may be phenominal by 21st Century OOG standards, or it could be merely average, and it's taken him a long time to work his way up to what you or I would say OOG is "average."  We don't know unless there is an OOG standard for the Player, not the Avatar to use to judge things by.

That being said, the Frame of Reference of a given world (Journey or Echo) can vary greatly.  For example, in Rogukan, samurai regulary mow down dozens of goblins without breaking a sweat.  The average stats of an Avatar, even an "average" one, from that land would be very, very different from the stats of, say, a world echo of my OOG office, where the average accountant would be hard pressed to mow through one goblin from Rogukan.  Any such "standard" should be purely OOG for purposes of description, and never used IG, since by definition you can't average an infinite number of beings.

[Alf Cunha]

Alf, maybe I'm a bit confuzzled, but what are YOU saying an average human would be in Avatar stats?  Because it sounds like you're saying 16-24, which would depress me no end!

**  Yeah, I know.  But if you ever end up in one of me Avatar-Conversion tabletops, expect your character to look pretty pitiful if their primaries are anything less than high teens.

    As for 'average human'  it's always been played that a newly-formed character is greatly lessened in ability.  For example, an averag humane could pick up a gun or a knife and use it with relative ease ... not so with a level 1 avatar - who would have to have level 1 in either skill, and the minimum strength to wield the weapon (in the case of a +5 dagger it would be a STR of 5)

If I said I was 3 Fleem tall, that would mean nothing unless you had a standard of "1 Fleem" to compare it to.

**  In this case, everyone is using Fleems (read STR, or AGI, or CON)

For example, in Rogukan, samurai regulary mow down dozens of goblins without breaking a sweat.

**  Samurai are very exceptional individuals, especially in a game world.  Out of curiosity, how many dozens of goblins can a first-level Rokuganese samurai (a character already more buff than the average peasant) mow down?

by definition you can't average an infinite number of beings.

**  Sure you can, just take a representative population sample - and with an infinite population you could use a huge sample

[LucasJamison]

So, if a normal human were dropped into the nexus without any of the normal weakening and regaining that happens, from that perspective... I'd say they'd be around:

ENE: 20+
AGI: 18
STR: 20
CUN: 18
CON: 10
INT: 18
CHA: 20
LUC: 6

Yielding around-

OR: 13
DR: 16
MD: 19
LF: 20
IN: 7
EM: 0
LB: 1

Blunt Weap 1
Edged Weap 1
Marksmanship 1
Cleaving Weap 1
Shield Parry 1

Two or three other first tiers from the stacking skills that are reasonable for an average, not-highly-trained individual from the modern day (tops about 25 AP total).

's about 190 AP, so assuming you're building this average human as a Terran (which I have, hence the 0 EM), it's ~Level 6, which I think makes a lot of sense.

[GJSchaller]

**  In this case, everyone is using Fleems (read STR, or AGI, or CON)

OOG, yes, but IG, those stats do not exist.  The trick here is to determine what "Average" is for a given frame of reference, and then give it stats.

**  Samurai are very exceptional individuals, especially in a game world.  Out of curiosity, how many dozens of goblins can a first-level Rokuganese samurai (a character already more buff than the average peasant) mow down?

They are exceptional to us OOG, but they are fairly common, one might say "Average," in the L5R world... at the rate they come and go, according to AEG.    Again, "Average" and "Exceptional" are very different from our OOG frame of reference, than from the IG viewpoint of an Avatar or other Nexal denizen.  It's been a while since I crunched numbers, but a beginning samurai could take down about a half dozen goblins, I think, while a more seasoned one could handle more depending on skills.  Characters that are exceptional by L5R standards could decimate a unit of 30 goblins in a few rounds.

**  Sure you can, just take a representative population sample - and with an infinite population you could use a huge sample

What's representative of Infinity?  The moment it becomes finite, it no longer represents the whole of infinity.  Really, really big is not the same as infinite.

Dave, out of curiosity, how did you arrive at those stats?  What was the logic you used to get those numbers?  Why 6th level?  Or, as Math Teachers always say.... can you show your work, and how you got to that answer? 

I think the fact that several people have answered with different ideas on what they consider "average" is a good indication that it's all about Frame of Reference.