AVATAR SKILLS

[Alf Cunha]

**  So ... What are the current DR bonuses granted by Dodging I, II, and II?

     Also, Bill brought up the idea of having a section for rules errata ... I think this is a wonderful idea, as the rules themselves are rarely edited when changes come up.  This way, players have a resource they can refer to when there is an update to the rules that has not made it into the current edition of the rulebook (ie. being able to Inspire someone who has Inspiration, or the fact that there are no Lord Items).


Alf Cunha
Item GM

[Alf Cunha]

**  Okay, question regarding Disguise I:  according to page 18 of the rulebook, "A Fleming who is level 4 and under may still find himself in a situation where he must use a Skill of the House he is tentatively courting ... the Fleming is allowed to try to use either the Tier 1 or Tier 2 Skills of the House he is currently wearing a button for"

    My question regards the "tentatively courting" portion of the paragraph.  Does this mean thatthe Fleming is working toward his Disguise II cover house or can he jump from house to house (not really 'courting' any particular house) and have access to any Tier 1-2 ability?  Also, if the cover is blown, can he use Disguise I to disguise himself as a different member of the cover house and try again?


Alf Cunha
Item GM

[drunken_mage]

Dodging I believe is as follows:

vs. all (P) Targetted attacks
I - +10 DR
II - +25 DR
III - +40 DR

[Alf Cunha]

Dodging I believe is as follows:

vs. all (P) Targetted attacks
I - +10 DR
II - +25 DR
III - +40 DR

**  Yes, but we had recently discussed upping the bonuses, as moving from Dodging II to II was a waste of points compared to buying 30 AGI (check the Avatar-Rules Forum for the discussion)


Alf

[Salvius]

Dodging I believe is as follows:

vs. all (P) Targetted attacks
I - +10 DR
II - +25 DR
III - +40 DR

**  Yes, but we had recently discussed upping the bonuses, as moving from Dodging II to II was a waste of points compared to buying 30 AGI (check the Avatar-Rules Forum for the discussion)


Alf

They have not yet changed.

>>>Vinny

[Salvius]

**  Okay, question regarding Disguise I:  according to page 18 of the rulebook, "A Fleming who is level 4 and under may still find himself in a situation where he must use a Skill of the House he is tentatively courting ... the Fleming is allowed to try to use either the Tier 1 or Tier 2 Skills of the House he is currently wearing a button for"

    My question regards the "tentatively courting" portion of the paragraph.  Does this mean thatthe Fleming is working toward his Disguise II cover house or can he jump from house to house (not really 'courting' any particular house) and have access to any Tier 1-2 ability?  Also, if the cover is blown, can he use Disguise I to disguise himself as a different member of the cover house and try again?


Alf Cunha
Item GM

Until a Fleming gets to Disguise II, there is absolutely no transfer of House Skills. So "tentatively courting" simply means that he is considering making it his real transfer house when he reaches level 5.

>>>Vinny

[D]

Ok, I'm going to take a stab at the background loophole to this question.

Can a low level Fleming, who has decided to flaunt the idea of maintaining secrecy, go house hopping to take stabs at getting temporary access to whichever house powers he desires? 

[Salvius]

Ok, I'm going to take a stab at the background loophole to this question.

Can a low level Fleming, who has decided to flaunt the idea of maintaining secrecy, go house hopping to take stabs at getting temporary access to whichever house powers he desires?

He does not get the House Skills until he actually gets Disguise II. Once he creates his 5th level "disguise character", the House he chooses is locked in - at Tier 3. if he then changes the house he is disguised as, he will drop to Tier 1.

So it doesn't matter what he does with buttons until level 5, other than tipping people off that he is a Fleming.

>>>Vinny

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Ummm -- how does

He does not get the House Skills until he actually gets Disguise II. Once he creates his 5th level "disguise character", the House he chooses is locked in - at Tier 3. if he then changes the house he is disguised as, he will drop to Tier 1

work with

**  Okay, question regarding Disguise I:  according to page 18 of the rulebook, "A Fleming who is level 4 and under may still find himself in a situation where he must use a Skill of the House he is tentatively courting ... the Fleming is allowed to try to use either the Tier 1 or Tier 2 Skills of the House he is currently wearing a button for"

A Confuzzled,
Linda

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Hmm, that wasn't as clear as I intended.  I think D's question was, can he go house-hopping to "try to use" the skills, not have permanent access to them.  Are you saying that's not possible, Vin, or were you answering a slightly different question.

Linda the Confuzzling

[Salvius]

Hmm, that wasn't as clear as I intended. I think D's question was, can he go house-hopping to "try to use" the skills, not have permanent access to them. Are you saying that's not possible, Vin, or were you answering a slightly different question.

Linda the Confuzzling

I'm not sure why this isn't clear. If a Level 4 and under Fleming is wearing a house button, he can attempt to use the Tier 1 or 2 skills of the house. At Level 5, he is locked.

>>>Vinny

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May just be me.  I thought you were answering D's question "No".  If you meant "Yeah, sure, since it's only temporary", I am officially unconfuzzled.

Linda
Able to Confuse Any Issue, However Straightforward 

[SigmaCaine]

Why is he locked? There's no rule in the game that says you can't use the lower Tier of any other skill, so why this one? And if that's the case, how did we have so many Marcus Gabriels running around, if they're *not* using Disguise 1? I don't think every last one of them had a Disguise 2 persona of Marcus Gabriel. And I recall a couple other Flemings (notably Bryce) having an alter-ego in every House - and using them long after they were level 5.

Basically, what is the reason for a Fleming to *lose* the ability they had to create a basic disguise of any House?

[D]

  Dig deeper here Cass.  Nothing prevents a Fleming from making a disguise 1 of other houses, when they make level 5.  But the usage of the basic skills is limited (and it is quite well spelled out) to Flemings of level 4, or under.  The capability to use the basic skills is *not* intrinsic to the Fleming house skill disguise 1, but to an extra "grace period clause", if you will, granted the younglings of house.
  The difference between Disguise 1 and 2, is Disg. 1 doesn't get a fake CC all to its lovely self.  And a level 5+ Fleming using Diguise 1, is not using his/her Fake CC, but is using the one given to them in the beginning of their avatar life to do it. 

[Salvius]

Why is he locked? There's no rule in the game that says you can't use the lower Tier of any other skill, so why this one? And if that's the case, how did we have so many Marcus Gabriels running around, if they're *not* using Disguise 1? I don't think every last one of them had a Disguise 2 persona of Marcus Gabriel. And I recall a couple other Flemings (notably Bryce) having an alter-ego in every House - and using them long after they were level 5.

Basically, what is the reason for a Fleming to *lose* the ability they had to create a basic disguise of any House?

Carol, this is all very carefully spelled out in the rules page pertaining to Fleming. From the point that the Fleming makes his first Disguise II card, he is locked into that house. If you want an IC reason, then let's assume that once he starts to learn how to fake a Tier 3 Skill, he has lost his ability to casually fake other Tier 1 and 2 Skills.

Perhaps the Marcus Gabriels you were referring to were prior to the rewriting of the Fleming progression?

>>>Vinny