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« on: March 10, 2008, 11:39:17 PM »

...but this has got to be the WORST idea. EVER

http://www.wtvq.com/content/midatlantic/tvq/video.apx.-content-articles-TVQ-2008-03-05-0011.html

can you say Identity theft ?

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 07:32:26 PM »

My guess is that this would get pulled the moment some troll successfully spoofs an offensive post to look like it came from Tim Couch.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 07:34:04 PM »

What i think there trying to do is stop a group called Anonymous from posting look up 4chan.org. These people go around on other forums and mess with people posting as Anonymous. Harmless acts that some people take to seriously if ya dont like what ya read get off the net. If ya can't handle a lil bullying from some random person you don't know you shouldn't be allowed to live.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 08:16:33 PM »

Hell yeah Shamus!  I hear that the bulling drives kids to suicide!  So at least they are taking care of the problem themselves right?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 10:44:54 PM »

Hell yeah Shamus!  I hear that the bulling drives kids to suicide!  So at least they are taking care of the problem themselves right?

If they stupid enough to kill themselves. Im sorry i was bullied my whole life because of my size i was put into a mental hospital cause i had a nervous breakdown from it i stopped eating and stopped takeing care of myself i was in a room with a foot of garbage all around me sleeping 23 hours a day not once did i try and kill myself. Don't get me wrong i feel sorry for the kids that get bullied but theres other ways to deal with life then killing yourself thats the stupid lil bitch way out. Instead of killing yourself embrace what you were blessed with and not your flaws. So im short who cares i did before but then i looked at the people bullying me and noticed that in order for themselves to feel better they had to pick on someone right when i started laughing at all the bullying they did it difused them and then they stopped.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 06:19:32 AM »

Your right being bullied is a dumb reason to kill yourself (although honestly if theirs a smart one I haven't heard it yet).  A lot of people go through it when they are kids (I certainly did) and the smart ones take it and learn from it (what did I leanr?  to not care what small minded idiots think of me a very useful skill).  Frankly this whole law is nonsensical though.  They can't manage to keep gambling off the Internet now do they really think this will work?  Also lets face it you'll get a few million Elvis Presley's at 1313 Mockingbird Lane Hicksville PA 13666.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2008, 03:54:31 PM »

The law itself would completely unenforceable.  Its very nearly "series of tubes" level idiocy.

Bullying happens; as long as there are @$$holes, there will be bullies.  If you are so thin skinned as to be terrified of anonymous internet posters?  You fail at life.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 10:52:26 PM »


**  The first thing that comes to mind from my POV is this:  how many instances of online bullying will become offline bullying - where poster A takes offense to poster B, identifies his name and/or address, goes to their house and shoots/bats up/harasses poster A?
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2008, 10:38:11 PM »

Well if that happens poster A will learn that that was a really bad idea  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2008, 03:03:20 PM »

Well if that happens poster A will learn that that was a really bad idea  Cheesy

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2008, 04:48:39 PM »

Bills like this show very clearly why career politicians are not qualified to actually lead. They are out of touch and have little concept about how most people actually live. This is the real danger in turnng over more and more programs to the government. You will see guys like this who truly want to help but have no concept of real life screwing up things that are really important. Term limits and simplifying government are two ways to solve this sort of thing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2008, 12:30:19 AM »

Bills like this show very clearly why career politians are not qualified to actually lead. They are out of touch and have little concept about how most people actually live. This is the real danger in turnng over more and more programs to the government. You will see guys like this who truly want to help but have no concept of real life screwing up things that are really important. Term limits and simplifying government are two ways to solve this sort of thing.

Talking about "real life screwing up things that are really important," Term Limits is one of those things.

On the one hand, it limits the time that an incompetent Politician can stay in office. However, the BEST regulator of that ought to be the voters, themselves.

Which leads us to the other hand: It limits the time that the very rare, truly effective Politician can stay in office. It removes from the electorate the CHOICE to let a government official hold his job.

{left-wing Political screed alert}
It didn't take term limits to make sure that no Governor of the State of New York has EVER served more that three consecutive terms. It merely took voters. [sarcasm]I'm sure people believe that the Country was RUINED because FDR was elected four times to the Presidency.[/sarcasm] But fear (by Republicans, at the time) lead to a Constitutional Amendment defining Presidential Term Limits. And lucky for us Democrats, the next time it might have been applied required a very popular (but history will show, a domestically DISASTROUS) Presidency to come to an end after eight years. History will show that it was good ol' Ronald Reagan, Democracy Cheerleader, Bringer-Down of the Berlin Wall, who divided this country into the lower-to-middle class and the Upper-to-Super Upper class, and set the machinery in motion to expand and widen that chasm.

So now, thanks to Reaganomics, and the mindset those policies encouraged: Savings-and-Loans have been looted; Corporations are raided (if not out-and-out stolen from, with the "proceeds" hidden in phantom transactions with phantom corporations), and businesses, instead of working for their profit, and keeping a community in good employ and secure standing, are dismantled piece-by-piece for the benefit of the shareholders, whose holding are only a piece of their entire portfolio. What GOOD does it do?

But this is what happens when we let rich people run the country for the benefit of rich people.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2008, 11:05:42 AM »

This is why I think serving in public office should be like serving on jury duty: pick a pack of people at random and swap them out.  This won't solve the problem of morons in office, but it does increase the chances of having a few bright ones actually getting in.

Perhaps a "modern life IQ test" before anyone is allowed to be a candidate for office?
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 09:35:29 AM »


Talking about "real life screwing up things that are really important," Term Limits is one of those things.

On the one hand, it limits the time that an incompetent Politician can stay in office. However, the BEST regulator of that ought to be the voters, themselves.

Which leads us to the other hand: It limits the time that the very rare, truly effective Politician can stay in office. It removes from the electorate the CHOICE to let a government official hold his job.
The problem is that many times these guys come in and are very good. They have fresh ideas and ideals. When they are there for too long they begin compromising those ideals. No matter what side of the scale you are on you can name someone who has been in too long but they bring in plenty of Pork so they keep getting elected. Sen. Robert Byrd is a prime example of this. He was a Grand Wizard of the KKK however because he keeps bringing home money for West Virginia, he keeps getting another term.

{left-wing Political screed alert}
It didn't take term limits to make sure that no Governor of the State of New York has EVER served more that three consecutive terms. It merely took voters.
[sarcasm]No, it took a bunch of hookers this time. [/sarcasm]
[sarcasm]I'm sure people believe that the Country was RUINED because FDR was elected four times to the Presidency.[/sarcasm] But fear (by Republicans, at the time) lead to a Constitutional Amendment defining Presidential Term Limits.
Actually many people believe that FDR made alot of things happen that have led to what LBJ did, which caused our modern welfare dependancy state. The main difference between then and now however is that back then the opposing party when a war was going on, did not undermine the war effort or try to destroy the president in office. By the way, wasn't it FDR that placed Japanese Americans in interment camps? Can you imagine if President Bush tried something like that with Muslims or Arab-Americans?
And lucky for us Democrats, the next time it might have been applied required a very popular (but history will show, a domestically DISASTROUS) Presidency to come to an end after eight years. History will show that it was good ol' Ronald Reagan, Democracy Cheerleader, Bringer-Down of the Berlin Wall, who divided this country into the lower-to-middle class and the Upper-to-Super Upper class, and set the machinery in motion to expand and widen that chasm.

So now, thanks to Reaganomics, and the mindset those policies encouraged: Savings-and-Loans have been looted; Corporations are raided (if not out-and-out stolen from, with the "proceeds" hidden in phantom transactions with phantom corporations), and businesses, instead of working for their profit, and keeping a community in good employ and secure standing, are dismantled piece-by-piece for the benefit of the shareholders, whose holding are only a piece of their entire portfolio. What GOOD does it do?

But this is what happens when we let rich people run the country for the benefit of rich people.
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   You can hate on Ronald Reagan all you want but during his time in office the economy was about the strongest it has ever been, and that was quite a feat after the truly disastrous Presidency of Jimmy Carter, and the fact that he had an almost completely Democratic Congress during his Presidency.
   The president does not control buisiness, nor should he. If a buisiness does something, they should suffer the consequences, but the government needs to stay out of the private sector unless the companies break the law.
   As far as rich people running the country, unfortunately it seems that if you do not have millions and millions of dollars to spend on campaining you can't get voters attention. It takes so much money to get a public office that most idealists and people with fresh ideas have to sell out to contributers and special interests before they can even get into office. By the time a politician has been there a few terms they have the whole process of selling out down to a science.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2008, 04:49:34 AM »

The problem is that many times these guys come in and are very good. They have fresh ideas and ideals. When they are there for too long they begin compromising those ideals. No matter what side of the scale you are on you can name someone who has been in too long but they bring in plenty of Pork so they keep getting elected. Sen. Robert Byrd is a prime example of this. He was a Grand Wizard of the KKK however because he keeps bringing home money for West Virginia, he keeps getting another term.
Quite obviously, the voters of his state don't give a sh*t that he had been a Lord High Mucky-Muck in the Klan. But at least it *is* up to them. That's the Democratic Way.

Actually many people believe that FDR made alot of things happen that have led to what LBJ did, which caused our modern welfare dependancy state.
*If* there is a "welfare dependancy [sic] state" it's because the Politicians who set policy for public assistance administrators believe it is cheaper to continue to send out Welfare Checks than to effectively train and economically rehabilitate (including making available affordable child-care to single parents in order for them to hold jobs that pay a living wage) those who are unfortunate enough to have landed on the wrong side of the tracks. And cut them off when someone looks around and realizes "They didn't vote for me!"

The main difference between then and now however is that back then the opposing party when a war was going on, did not undermine the war effort or try to destroy the president in office.
It wasn't protocol to do so until the REPUBLICANS took it upon themselves to "try to destroy the president in office" with their Whitewater witch hunt (Nothing there? Let's expand the investigation to his personal life. Ah-ha! Caught him lying about an illicit affair! Wouldn't you lie about an illicit affair when asked about it by a prosecutor who'd been assigned to investigate some totally different matter? "Cigar smoking" in the White House fell far outside the original charge to Mr. Starr.). And Mr. Dubya has been given a pass by a terribly do-nothing Congress over a tremendous amount of blatant corruption. But, I have to say, he kept his wick dry.

By the way, wasn't it FDR that placed Japanese Americans in interment camps? Can you imagine if President Bush tried something like that with Muslims or Arab-Americans?
I could imagine. But our Society, itself, seems to have learned the bitter lesson of the Internment.

You can hate on Ronald Reagan all you want but during his time in office the economy was about the strongest it has ever been, and that was quite a feat after the truly disastrous Presidency of Jimmy Carter, and the fact that he had an almost completely Democratic Congress during his Presidency.
Your memory is faulty. Rah-Rah Reagan kept everyone cheerful during his term. But during Reagan's time in office the standard was set for deficit spending. Without the Cheerleader-In-Chief, people noticed that we were bleeding money. The economy ("It's the economy, Stupid!") tanked during GHW Bush. And it was quite the direct result of Reagan's economic chickens coming home to roost. President Dubya has exponentially improved on that standard. At least he is still in office as *his* economic worm is turning, so much so that the Government is giving a handout to virtually *everyone* in order to stimulate the economy. Again, a direct by-product of years of massive deficit spending.

Although the Republicans have long called the Democrats the "Tax-and-Spend" Party, truly the Republicans are the "Borrow-and-Spend, then Borrow Some More" Party. Our children and theirs will be paying the interest on this debt, and the current War expense (redundancy alert) for generations to come.


The president does not control buisiness, nor should he. If a buisiness does something, they should suffer the consequences, but the government needs to stay out of the private sector unless the companies break the law.
What about *Directors* of companies?

Except for a few scapegoats, and a few other former directors, what has the Government done about:

* The Lincoln Savings and Loan Association
* Enron
* MCI-Worldcom

and any of a number of other valuable corporations who today are worthless. How many millions, BILLIONS of dollars were pocketed, and left unrecoverable? How many thousands of people whose retirement funds were wiped out by these criminal enterprises are currently destitute? I reiterate: it was economic and regulatory (or LACK-OF-regulatory) policies begun during the Reagan administration that allowed this to happen in the first place. Oh, and greed, too.

"After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Senators Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the Federal Home Loan Bank Board in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, while Senators John Glenn and John McCain had been only minimally involved." Sadly, four of those were actually Democrats. I can only presume they were caught up in the free-wheeling business-looting climate of the era (and some stuffed pocketsful of looted cash). Oh, and who else is mentioned there? The presumptive 2008 Republican nominee for President.

Or a company like Micro$oft, who, although actually convicted of anti-trust trade violations, has barely felt a slap on the wrist from a Justice Department whose prosecution of those violations was hampered by funding cuts as soon as Dubya and his ilk were installed in office.

Or companies like Sony, who include in their products computer system compromising rootkits that self-install without the permission or knowledge of the owner of the computer, just by trying to play the music on the CD.


As far as rich people running the country, unfortunately it seems that if you do not have millions and millions of dollars to spend on campaining you can't get voters attention. It takes so much money to get a public office that most idealists and people with fresh ideas have to sell out to contributers and special interests before they can even get into office. By the time a politician has been there a few terms they have the whole process of selling out down to a science.
I wasn't even talking about Politicians. I hardly see where they are doing the running at all (except for office). The country today is run by rich corporate directors and shareholders, who can afford to pay lobbyists to promote stupidities like the DMCA.

But weren't we talking about Term Limits?
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