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Mack Ravensline

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Letter to GM
« on: March 11, 2009, 11:11:26 AM »

This is one of the best responses to the requests for bailout money thus far. As a supplier for the Big-Three, this man received a letter from the President of GM North America requesting support for the bailout program. His response is classic and has to make you proud of a  guy who tells it like it is.


Dear Employees & Suppliers,

Congress and the current Administration will soon determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis......................As an employee or supplier, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.  Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

Troy Clarke, President General Motors North America
   
 
   
  Response from:
 Gregory Knox, Pres.
 Knox Machinery Company
 Franklin, Ohio
   
 Gentlemen:
   
   In response to your request to contact legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big-Three automakers, please consider the following and please pass my thoughts on to Troy Clark, President of General Motors North America.   
   
   Politicians and Management of the Big-Three are both infected with the same 'entitlement mentality' that has spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this nation awaiting our new 'messiah', Pres-elect Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep 'living the dream'.  Believe me folks, the dream is over!   
   
   This dream where we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities…this dream where you still think the masses will line up to buy our products for ever and ever.
   
   Don't even think about telling me I'm wrong.  Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak.  I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's throughout the Midwest during the past 30 years and what I've seen over those years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.   
   
  Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America, states: "There is widespread sentiment throughout this country, and our government, and especially via the news media, that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management which it certainly is not."
   
  You're right Mr. Clarke,  it's not JUST management…how about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass…so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time…for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40 hour work week.  How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics…for putting out too many parts on a shift…and for being too productive
   
  (We certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?)
   
   Do you folks really not know about this stuff?!?  How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea: "over the last few years …we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors."  What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!?  Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them?  The K car vs. the Accord?  The Pinto vs. the Civic?!?  Do I need to go on?  What a joke!
   
    We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades.  It's time to pay for your sins, Detroit .   
   
    I attended an economic summit last week where brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, from the Institute of Trend Research , surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money".  "Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems," but despite what people like politicians and corporate magnates would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day… and the following very important thing would happen…where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up…that is how a free market system works…it does work…if we would only let it work…"
   
    But for some nondescript reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work - that we need the government to step in and "save us"…Save us my ass, Hell - we're nationalizing…and unfortunately too many of our once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue that this is what is really happening…But, they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams…yeah - THAT'S really important, isn't it…
   
    Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country?...  How can that be???  Let's see… Fuel efficient… Listening to customers… Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul…
   
    Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr. W. Edwards Deming four decades ago when he taught that by adopting appropriate principles of management, organizations could increase quality and simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity through quality and intelligent planning… Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy"… Efficient front and back offices… Non-union environment…
   
    Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know down deep in their hearts.   
   
    I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into - my children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did when I was their age.  I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way) - I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work through it.  Radical concept, huh… Am I there for them in the wings?  Of course - but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.
   
    I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government.   Detroit and the United Statesneed to pay for their sins.  Bad news people - it's coming whether we like it or not. The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away."  I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the final vote count was tallied…"we really might not do it in a year…or in four…" Where the Hell was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for office.
   
   Stop trying to put off the inevitable folks … That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000… People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits… That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year… We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe…
   
   That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home… Let the market correct itself folks - it will.  Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna' be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it all, is a nation that appreciates what it has…and doesn't live beyond its means…and gets back to basics…and redevelops the patriotic work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world…and probably turns back to God.   
   
   Sorry - don't cut my head off, I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news". I hope you take it to heart.
   

Gregory J. Knox, President
Knox Machinery, Inc.
Franklin, Ohio 45005
 
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 11:43:47 AM »

This is one of the best responses to the requests for bailout money thus far. As a supplier for the Big-Three, this man received a letter from the President of GM North America requesting support for the bailout program. His response is classic and has to make you proud of a  guy who tells it like it is.

I'm a bit confused... if the house isn't really worth 485000, why shouldn't they be living there, after all?

Also just a tad uncomfortable with this weird "messiah" narrative that gets fixated on pretty hard.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 04:16:58 PM »

considering how much people are looking to Obama to fix things... I see where he's coming from.

too bad the people who "get it" are in the minority.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 08:24:34 AM »

considering how much people are looking to Obama to fix things... I see where he's coming from.

too bad the people who "get it" are in the minority.
I don't think we will be for much longer. As the Dems continue to overreach and the Republicans don't grow a set and start taking the high road (as in taking a pledge from all their members to not take earmarks, etc.) People will get less and less satisfied with Congress and their President, and all that good will he has now will be gone. His poll numbers have already dropped over 10 points. I think this will continue as he spends more and more and we start to see even more of the fallout of this.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 10:30:14 AM »

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[/url]ate=1236860674]I think this will continue as he spends more and more and we start to see even more of the fallout of this.

Well, thank goodness we'll have patriots like Chuck Norris (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91103) to keep it real.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 12:21:49 PM »

I rarely want to hear what an actor has to say as far as political views. In this case, however I have found myself agreeing with him on many points. Does he overstate his position some, yes, but overall the points are sound. There have been some actors who have crossed over into politics and done very well (including the best President during my lifetime Ronald Reagan). If you read the points and get past the fact that it seems he is saying Texas may need to withdrawl from the Union, he seems to make alot of sense.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 12:32:16 PM »

Yeah... once you get past the whole seccession / armed insurrection thing, and his avid support for armed and prepared separtist militias, he starts making all kinds of sense... um... wait, how do you "get past" that first bit, again?
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 11:08:43 AM »

He is actually not calling for it to happen, though the constitution actually speaks about the need for the ability to overthrow your government when it becomes too corrupt, I saw the actual interview this was taken from. The remarks were made as part of a much longer segment where they were talking about the fact that the government had become so overbloated and corrupt that niether He nor Glenn Beck would be surprised if the 'Bubba Factor' came into play. This is where some idiots with guns try to take the law into their own hands and rise up and try to force the government to do certain things, simply because of their frustrations over the policies that started in the last couple years of the Bush administration and have only gotten worse with the new President took office. He actually condemned it. They then joked that if they were actually able to take over Texas and make it into it's own country that He (Chuck Norris) would be perfect to lead them since they would have a hard time seperating him from his movie and TV reputation. In this column he apparently takes it further to take a rathjer rediculous point and take the truth out of it that it was rooted in, that being the massive steps away from our constitution that the Federal Government continues to take as it Federalizes banks, and financial institutions and begins to get it's fingers into all sorts of private ventures. The Federal Government was never meant to be this powerful. Hamilton originally balked at the idea of a bill of rights because he feared the expansion of the Federal Government. Most of the Founding Fathers would be spinning in their graves to see how massively bloated and corrupt this government has become.
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 02:22:21 PM »

He is actually not calling for it to happen, though the constitution actually speaks about the need for the ability to overthrow your government when it becomes too corrupt,

In the Texas State Constitution?

The US Constitution most certianly does not. The Declaration of Independence does, of course, but it kind of has to.

This is where some idiots with guns try to take the law into their own hands and rise up and try to force the government to do certain things, simply because of their frustrations over the policies that started in the last couple years of the Bush administration and have only gotten worse with the new President took office. He actually condemned it.

Glenn Beck strikes me as the sort of fellow who 'condemns' this stuff while he is simultaneously fantasizing about it, seeing it as the (in his mind apparently hopefully) inevitable result of 'pushing people too far'.

They then joked that if they were actually able to take over Texas and make it into it's own country that He (Chuck Norris) would be perfect to lead them since they would have a hard time seperating him from his movie and TV reputation.

Provided this context, the column itself is a little less objectionable.

In this column he apparently takes it further to take a rathjer rediculous point and take the truth out of it that it was rooted in, that being the massive steps away from our constitution that the Federal Government continues to take as it Federalizes banks, and financial institutions and begins to get it's fingers into all sorts of private ventures.

1) Nationalizes. Federalize implies something else entirely.
2) I do agree that "public-private partnership" is nearly always a bad idea - one or the other, please!

The Federal Government was never meant to be this powerful. Hamilton originally balked at the idea of a bill of rights because he feared the expansion of the Federal Government. Most of the Founding Fathers would be spinning in their graves to see how massively bloated and corrupt this government has become.

I believe in previous discussions over the size of the national government, the closest I've gotten to an answer on how big the government should be is "not this big", which is hardly satisfying. Is there some quantifiable ideal size?

Corruption is government has been a problem since its inception, and is not a new (or newly worsened) problem. However, apparently it is an unconstitutional violation of 1st Amendment rights to limit campaign contributions...
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2009, 01:14:53 PM »

I believe in previous discussions over the size of the national government, the closest I've gotten to an answer on how big the government should be is "not this big", which is hardly satisfying. Is there some quantifiable ideal size?

The unsatisfying answer is "as big as it needs to be". There isnt a quantifiable size. No way to say "the fed gov't should be limited to x number of employees."

My personal opinion, as expressed in here before, is we should start with what the Constitution actually allows, and add a small number of other necessary things (such as NASA, EPA...) that would be just too financially unfeasable for individual states to do, (imagine every state with its own NASA...) and leave it at that.
The wrench that gets thrown in to that is, of course, who decides what is "necessary" to add?
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Re: Letter to GM
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 05:19:47 PM »

The unsatisfying answer is "as big as it needs to be". There isnt a quantifiable size. No way to say "the fed gov't should be limited to x number of employees."

 (imagine every state with its own NASA...)

Yeah, the Rhode Island NASA would consist of two rocket boosters bought at Toys R Us.  ;D
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