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If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« on: December 01, 2009, 06:07:11 PM »

Then you need to move to California, because divorce also ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/divorce-ban_movement_in_califo.html
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 06:10:50 PM »

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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2009, 02:16:47 PM »

It will never pass, but I agree wholeheartedly. It is truely a sad thing when people get married for any other reason than they want to spend the rest of their lives with the person they love. The bible is very much against divorce. In fact at one time the only reason a divorce would be granted was due to infidelity of one or the other, and that was a serious crime which could be punishable by up to death. Unfortunately many enter into marriage with the attitude that they will try it out and if it does not work they can just divorce and get married again if they want to. They may be doing it as a type of joke, but to be honest they are right on.
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2009, 08:58:37 PM »

See this scares the heck out of me.  Why?  For fear it might actually pass.  Yeah I know I know but over the years i've learned to never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public.  As for it being a good idea no, no it really isn't.  Jesus Christ made allowances for divorce (specficaly yes in the case of infidelity) and to many men and women wind up in horribly destructive marriages that outlawing divorce would trap. 
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 08:44:34 AM »

As I said, it will never pass, but I am very much against divorce. I understand that there are times when it becomes necessary, but it should always be a last resort. Too many times people get married without getting to know their partners, because of children or the relationship is purely sexual. Other times the reason is for more sinister with reasons like getting around the immigration system, or to get money from someone who has more. Others dishonor marriage by entering in it without making a true commitment. The sanctity of marriage is in many ways watered down as it is. I know it will not be taken seriously, but marriage should not be treated as lightly as it is. The fact that this is being treated as a joke is very telling. It would be nice if marriage was treated with more reverance. Unfortunately that is an uphill battle, I just do not want it dilluted further.
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2009, 10:37:21 AM »

**  Just my opinion, but wouldn't it make things less muddled if there were a differentiation between marriage as a recognized civil contract, and marriage as a religious rite?  In other words: have civil unions (which would apply to either gay or straight unions) which would be strictly a legally recognized contract between two partners that qualifies them for whatever benefits it implies - but have a separate marriage, which is strictly a religious rite to celebrate the union of two people in the eyes of "God" and their chosen faith (many people would do both, as Janette and I have done).
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2010, 07:25:05 PM »

technically Alf thats supposed to already exist.  In many states if two people live together long enough (5 years i believe is the average) they can legal be considered married with out any kind of ceremony (some require the birth of a child as well).  Justices of the peace, and mayors also have the authority to marry people with out recourse to religious rite.  For that matter hundreds of religions all have their own religious ceremony that are (as long as the officiant is ordained) recognized under the law.  But because conservative christians want to protect their version of what marriage is we get silly laws like banning gay marriage and outlawing divorce.

As for the problems with marriage I agree with you I just don't think screwing around with divorce is the solution.  Requiring counciling before hand on the other hand might do a great deal of good.
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Re: If you think gay marriage ruins the 'sanctity of marriage'
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 11:59:28 AM »

Trust me, I am a very strong Christian and a very strong conservative, but am pretty open minded concerning this issue. The legal aspects of marriage were put in place to foster a good environment for propogating, since without the ability to have children short of adoption anything other than a man woman relationship is simply not possible without some outside intervention, it would not apply. I would be happy to see all marriage rights go away unless a child were born of that couple, and let it simply be either a family or simply a religious rite. It would make it alot less abused as it is today. The family would be maintained with legal benefits to the two parents raising the child, regardless of the situation. All people would have to keep any monies seperate unless given as a gift to the person they lived with. I would rather see legal marriage go away than have it spoiled. However since this will never fly, I still think civil unions are the best way to accomplish the goals set forth in a manner a majority would support.
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